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Pick order swap is not coming to League Of Legends reveals Riot dev

By | 08/09/2022


  1. #1

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    Riot’s official stance on selection order vs call society

    Finally they take stated their thoughts, which, as I knew, were the same as mine, but their whole post is written veeery carefully, merely to non make ppl become crazy.
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    “Summoners,

    As you all know, we value communication and collaboration above all when information technology comes to choosing roles in ranked games. According to the Actor Behavior team’s studies, teams that cooperate together take a greater take a chance to win. Naturally, cooperation and communication is something nosotros want to encourage within all games of League of Legends.

    That said, we practice know that there have been some bug with coming to an agreement at champion select, and many players have defaulted to one of ii systems: Pick Order – where players higher on the selection list have first pick of their office – and Call Order – where players believe whoever “calls” a office kickoff gets the right to it. For a while,
    we’ve been asked what our own official stance is on Pick Gild versus Phone call Order and, after much consideration, we’ve ultimately decided to endorse Choice Order over Phone call Guild as an underlying system. There are many reasons why Pick Lodge works meliorate to encourage communication and cooperation in teams:
    Players with faster load times shouldn’t have an unfair advantage in Telephone call Order
    Pick Order occurs naturally in the current blueprint, so information technology’due south more intuitive
    Over fourth dimension, players become an equal number of opportunities to be each pick slot
    Players shouldn’t have to race to type a position at the start of each match

    At this point we would like to stress, one time again, that Option Society should non exist the first thing players plow to in determining who plays what role in ranked games. Pick Order is meant to exist a last resort when settling discussions – this is why nosotros are endorsing it and not mandating information technology. Communication and collaboration are notwithstanding the most of import things when it comes to playing ranked games, and we hope players volition continue to uphold the Summoner’southward Code in all of their matches.If yous decline to communicate with your team and rely only on Pick Club to determine your office selection, you are even so existence a toxic thespian and this will reflect negatively upon you.
    By officially endorsing Pick Guild, however, we are hoping this will give more structure to players and may help settle some disputes. And, of grade, this isn’t the only affair we’re doing to accost champion select as a process. For more information on our long-term plans, turn to this discussion with Lyte, status kwoh, and davin. Nosotros’ve besides included a mini-FAQ for players who have further questions on our endorsement of this philosophy.

    Happy hunting,

    Q: I’m terminal pick and I have no idea how to play the role left to me – so I become reported either way. What do I do?

    A: It’s best to go into ranked with at least a basic grasp of how to play every role. Having said that, behavioral and game skill reporting is handled differently. Receiving an ‘unskilled player’ study can’t result in a ban.

    “Our stance isn’t that the player who has first pick should ignore his team and auto lock. Information technology’s that players should try to collaborate to grade a squad. If for any reason players come to an impasse and disputes ascend, nosotros desire players to have some mostly agreed upon set up of rules to resolve the dispute in a civil way.”

    Source (and QA): http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/05…-guild-vs.html

    Thoughts? Do yous follow pick order or phone call order or “it depends”? Poll within.
    And I think that we all concord with the statement “It’due south best to become into ranked with at least a basic grasp of how to play every role.”.

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    I follow pick guild, as have to be honest, 99% of the people I’ve e’er been in a ranked game with, normally after a cursory word though. I’d say in around 25% of the normals I play, two people terminate up arguing over who called a role beginning, due to the client displaying differently for yourself as to other people, and lag on connecting to the chat room – that alone ways people are going to waste precious fourth dimension in a ranked squad choice arguing over who called it start. Pick seems by far the about efficient, logical and off-white way to practice information technology. People should still discuss their roles though, like going in and saying “I’d prefer to mid if possible, but can pinnacle or jungle.”

    I really do think it helps but exist open up and chatty, polite and ask nicely….. simply if the pick order doesn’t favour someone, maxim “I don’t care if you lot’ve locked mid, I’m locking mid too considering I chosen it first, then there!” but causes problems for anybody, so why would anyone always practise that, I practice not understand. Fifty-fifty playing your weakest link is probably amend than ending upward with multiple mid characters and a super negative attitude from a team that’due south already refusing to work together.

    I don’t know how much Riot clarifying this will make a difference, those people who would choose a spot equally a last pick when it’s already been picked, knowing information technology’s going to cause bug, people who refuse to be flexible or work with the team you’ve got… those notorious “mid or feed!” guys, are probably non people who are a) going to be reading riots forums, or b) give a damn what riots official stance is.








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    This is why, Shamanic, I likewise always follow pick order and I detect it the best way to solve everything. Ranked is for those who wanna play against other great players, so ranked players should know how to play all roles, otherwise stick to blind or normal drafts/other types.








  4. #iv

    None of them are a proficient solution. Taking pick social club first as an example, just because someone is higher up on the pick list, he should immediately go his pick before me? Equally for phone call order, I agree with what Riot says about load speeds. My computer is beastly and I load faster than anybody else 99% of the time and when I phone call a role, some people hadn’t even joined the conversation room nonetheless and and so they flame me for not selecting a role first but picking that specific role’s champion.

    While I don’t retrieve there’s a real solution to this, one footstep would be for the first 15 seconds (or some other menstruation of time) of any match, to disable champion picks so the team tin can talk it over in chat.








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    What Riot should be endorsing is communication. Don’t get in black & white. Communicate, and figure out what together what to play.








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    What Anarchism should be endorsing is advice. Don’t brand it black & white. Communicate, and effigy out what together what to play.

    Riot did point that out and this is basically the TL;DR of the TL;DR’south:

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    Communication > Choice Society > Calling

    Can’t be said enough.

    That’s a pretty good TL DR version of our stance on this. Well said. =)

    http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/…94241#37794241








  7. #7

    higher up on the option list, he should immediately become his pick before me?

    Yep. If it’s ranked he’due south gotten higher than you, so deserves it. I meet that logic, it makes sense. What I don’t get is the randomness of normal. I was playing yesterday, and out of seven games I was last choice vi. I haven’t searched securely into it, and it’s a piffling OT, but is normal “order” entirely random?








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    Why would they even need to post a stance on something similar this? Bah humbug.








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    Yeah. If it’s ranked he’s gotten college than yous, so deserves it. I encounter that logic, information technology makes sense. What I don’t get is the randomness of normal. I was playing yesterday, and out of seven games I was last pick 6. I haven’t searched securely into it, and information technology’s a niggling OT, but is normal “guild” entirely random?

    Normal – and Ranked for that matter – is random. The merely thing that affects it, is premades.

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    Why would they fifty-fifty need to post a stance on something like this? Bah humbug.

    That’s what I don’t get or more than defined, how tin can they post something similar this simply besides not say this is the meta we recollect all ranked should attempt to follow. It’s one thing to say what they said, but what they said doesn’t mean that if someone is last pick and jungle is all that is left merely they don’t feel comfy jungling and so they go summit and split CS, or support is all that is left merely instead they go bruiser bottom with an ADC and accept CS. An official statement on this is dandy still without an official argument on you should play the meta unless otherwise agreed upon with communication, I don’t sympathize how it has any merit.








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    Normal – and Ranked for that matter – is random. The only matter that affects it, is premades.

    Ranked is elo based.








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    That’s what I don’t go or more defined, how can they postal service something like this just also not say this is the meta we retrieve all ranked should try to follow. It’s i matter to say what they said, but what they said doesn’t hateful that if someone is last pick and jungle is all that is left merely they don’t feel comfortable jungling so they go meridian and split CS, or support is all that is left but instead they get bruiser bottom with an ADC and take CS. An official argument on this is great withal without an official statement on you should play the meta unless otherwise agreed upon with communication, I don’t empathize how information technology has whatever merit.

    You don’t have to follow any traditional setup – y’all (or most of the population) chooses to. You conform because it’s the easiest thing to practice, just if you detect a team that wants Advert pinnacle, support and AP bot, Jungle Ezreal and assail speed Lulu mid and y’all agree to it, nobody will listen. It’s the community’s pick to conform to 1 role limerick, not Riot’due south. They can’t abet something they didnt come upward with and don’t enforce.

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    Ranked is elo based.

    If anything, information technology’southward MMR-based, but I’m non certain information technology follows any item order within the game itself. Well, previously (until a few days ago, earlier a patch) premade partners were ever concluding two picks in my experience, but now it’s been reverted to offset and last, which may indicate it is indeed MMR-based.

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    Ranked pick order is based on Elo. If you lot’re #i pick, you’re the highest elo on your team (In that location still is elo in the game, it’s but “subconscious” – say it’s your league/league position at present.

    What I want to know is normal games. It’southward non MMR based, because I will play with the same people, who, depending on the game, volition either be above or below me. Which leads me to believe it’s entirely random.








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    What Riot should be endorsing is communication. Don’t make it blackness & white. Communicate, and figure out what together what to play.

    Haave yous e’er played this game? Especially when it comes to what role people want communication ends in a fight just every bit oft every bit it ends in people agreeing peacefully to allow someone else play a role. An impartial and universal standard similar this is all the same needed because people aren’t going to always play nice and agree.

    “Logic: The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the man misunderstanding.”
    “Bourgeois, north: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, equally distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to supercede them with others.”
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    The Bird of Hermes Is My Name, Eating My Wings To Brand Me Tame.








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    You lot don’t have to follow any traditional setup – you (or most of the population) chooses to. You conform considering it’s the easiest affair to do, simply if y’all notice a team that wants AD elevation, back up and AP bot, Jungle Ezreal and attack speed Lulu mid and you agree to it, nobody will mind. Information technology’s the customs’southward choice to adjust to i part composition, not Anarchism’s. They tin can’t advocate something they didnt come up up with and don’t enforce.

    So what are people calling then? Without defining a meta that people are calling against, what is the purpose of saying a call matters? Someone calls ADC, okay that’s cool I’ll ADC with them. Currently there isn’t something against the rules going double ADC bot yet people would still report you for information technology and now they’re proverb these reports are legitimate? I recall in that location is an obvious problem there.








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    I never go mid or summit, so I follow call lodge unless I’grand forced into ane of those

    Of course sometimes I autolock if I rly want to play a champ 😛








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    I usually follow call order because I can play any function and I’ll let my other team mates fight well-nigh who is playing what. If I’m not really feeling up to playing a sure role or just come off a bad game at a specific role and that’s all that’due south left, I’ll go option society.








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    I remember people should only conform themselves appropriately if in that location’s call orders, even if at that place isn’t, just acquire how to play every function. Don’t like to play that function? Too fucking bad, learn how to do it, get play normals and only larn it even if a little chip.

    I know that some people hate function 10 or Y but sometimes you have to do information technology and if people really want to win games they demand to suit properly or they’ll lose the game. This is assuming the team has no communication.

    Fifty-fifty if at that place’s communication, it’southward always certain for a game to have 2, or more than people, that don’t desire role Ten or Y, and y’all should however conform yourself, so learn all the roles.

    This is if it’s a ranked game because people in there
    really
    want to win.

    I estimate the trouble is that people want to actually win merely then they don’t put any effort into information technology or the necessary effort, as in playing the role y’all don’t like, and then lose games.








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    So what are people calling then? Without defining a meta that people are calling confronting, what is the purpose of saying a call matters? Someone calls ADC, okay that’s absurd I’ll ADC with them. Currently at that place isn’t something confronting the rules going double ADC bot yet people would still report you for it and now they’re proverb these reports are legitimate? I think at that place is an obvious trouble at that place.

    The ‘meta’ has been defined, or rather copied, past the community. A phone call doesn’t matter, a selection and position your team is okay with practise. People will report you lot just if
    they
    aren’t okay with you lot picking a second Advertisement (presumably because they call back of it as an inviable choice that will outcome in a loss), non because Riot says so.

    Terminal edited by gamhacked; 2013-05-17 at
    06:54 PM.








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    Ranked pick social club is based on Elo. If you’re #1 choice, yous’re the highest elo on your team (In that location notwithstanding is elo in the game, it’southward just “hidden” – say it’s your league/league position now.

    What I want to know is normal games. It’due south non MMR based, because I will play with the same people, who, depending on the game, will either be higher up or beneath me. Which leads me to believe it’southward entirely random.

    Normal is completely random, yeah.






Source: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1299769-Riot-s-official-stance-on-pick-order-vs-call-order