EA Announces New Anti-Cheat Tech for PC that Runs at the Kernel Level

By | 15/09/2022
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voOsh


  • #51
If yous want to play online FPS with minimal cheaters, this is unfortunately the merely fashion to do information technology currently. I played CSGO where Valve has tried so difficult for years to fight adulterous with a bunch of strategies and it was never good enough. Riot comes forth with Valorant, simply drops in the Vanguard kernel-level anti-cheat and it is much, much better. I promise something can change in the hereafter. For those worried about security I remember the best thing to do is to accept a gaming-only PC and do annihilation personal/life-related on another arrangement/device.



  • #52
Ricochet the most underrated Valve game


Duxxy3


  • #53
Uh huh… can I just get campaign only versions of these games? I don’t have any interest in this level of anti-cheat, or multiplayer altogether.


Pyro

Pyro

God help u.s. the mods are making weekend threads


  • #54
It means the anti-cheat would have a much higher level of access to your computer than previously. I know many tin accept reservations about that, but they work better than anything else I’ve seen.

It means that the driver is running at the same level of system privileges every bit the Bone kernel itself.
Possible concerns here are:

  • Total access to whatever information on your PC in any application.
  • Possibility of vulnerabilities present which could be exploited by 3rd parties to go the same level of access.
  • Possibility to introduce OS kernel level instabilities which could lead to BSODs.

Thank you lot for clarifying! I at present see why folks are happy, hesitant and turned off by it.


Greecian


  • #55
Is in that location no cheating on console?

Modded controllers, if that counts


Lobster Roll


  • #56
Yes, we’ll meet virtually that.


Magneto


  • #57
Some people that don’t even play the game will probably exist mad most this.

But this is the merely fashion. I’grand happy they finally did it.


Edge



WonderingRogue


  • #59
Glad I don’t play games like this, cause yeah, no, I’m not giving them backstairs admission to my PC then that after a vulnerability is exploited past hackers and all my data is on the black market, they can deny it for a year and then effort and eschew responsibility.

This is a problem that needs to involve some fundamentals of how multiplayer games work, and almost certainly lots of AI, without the need for intrusive and unsafe dorsum doors into our PC’s.


Iron Eddie


  • #60
Good if information technology works and Call of Duty has plenty ascendancy to not worry about the vocal minority who are upset with annihilation that’south invasive or privacy problems. That’s not a knock to them only the reality is this game has attracted millions who are causal gamers.


Ragdoll



Zexyen


  • #62
Shit like this is why I’g gradually drifting away from PC gaming.

Information technology doesn’t prevent cheaters and it’due south a massive privacy violation. Information technology’s why I no longer play Valorant. I’m not giving Activision kernel level access to my PC.

“Just trust us”. Yes, no.

Yeah when Anarchism announced that for Valorant I immediately decided to not play the game and if fucking activision of all companies is doing his I’m fifty-fifty MORE hesitant. I trust no company with that level of access and if I tin can’t run your game in a sandboxed environment or even on a separate platform considering of it (Linux) Then information technology’s even worse.


Gamesadict


  • #63
Damnit, I feared they would go for a kernel level anti cheat. I wanted to avert stuff like this but I nevertheless play MW and don’t see myself uninstalling information technology, Ground War is something I tin can’t become enough of still.


BasilZero


  • #64
Does the new CoD have SP?

Does this only have bear on in MP or SP too?


Zips


  • #65
Edit: Reading a bit more about it, I’thou less against it than I was.

If it only runs with the game, I’thou fine with this. Valorant’due south solution was simply asinine with it having to run all the fourth dimension.


luffeN



Carbon

Carbon

Deploying the stealth Prowl Missile


  • #67
Kernel level? Like the same for Valorant’s?
So basically Valorant’southward? That sounds great to me
Doesn’t Valorant also have a kernel level anti cheat only they accept problems besides?

They should but practice hardware bans instead

This is like Easy Anti-Cheat, PunkBuster, or BattleEye. It’southward a kernel level driver programme that only starts when the game is running.

The departure with Valorant is that it is running ALL THE Fourth dimension. Starts with the Bone, stays on even when you aren’t playing it. Valorant’s makes it harder to cheat since it loads with the OS and is always running, but information technology’south more than exploitable because
it’s always running.


Ont


  • #68
Good.

I don’t trust whatsoever other anti-cheat method on PC until proven otherwise.

I hope that Halo Infinite will eventually have kernel level anti-cheat on PC.


Marcellus Wallace


  • #69
Is there no adulterous on panel?

There’southward probably more cheating on console with people using the Cronus Zen and other cheats that can’t be detected.


SFLUFAN


  • #70
Does the new CoD take SP?

Does this only have impact in MP or SP as well?

Yes, Vanguard does have SP.

This command volition activate whenever the CoD executable file is activated, whether that’southward for SP or MP.


Pargon


  • #71
If you install this, I promise you don’t use that PC for annihilation other than playing video games.


LebGuns


  • #72
And so happy to hear this. It’s way overdue, the adulterous is extraordinarily rampant and flagrant. In fact if cheaters are detected they should also get hardware banned. PC players who have a problem with this can play on consoles. Isn’t that what a number of them say when panel players complain nearly FOV AND MKB? Or the game should give console players the power to crossplay without PC. Plenty is enough.


BasilZero


  • #73
Aye, Vanguard does accept SP.

This control will activate whenever the CoD executable file is activated, whether that’due south for SP or MP.

Ugh…ok cheers

Not certain if I would get this but who knows


fontguy


  • #74

I like how they’re not even committing to restrict it to CoD-related data.

“In its initial rollout”



  • #75
I’m certain Activision won’t carelessness this. They will keep supporting, updating and fixing bug for this for years to come, even when their internal projections show that information technology is non profitable and some upcoming Windows alter requires changes to how this anti-cheat works. They definitely won’t permit critical people to this initiative leave the company without having someone to step up and continue maintaining it.


KillLaCam



Oct 25, 2017


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Seoul


  • #76
Promise it works. I only really play games on my gaming pc then idk how intrusive the anti cheat is


Saucycarpdog


  • #77
Privacy concerns are a bit exaggerated considering no one has a trouble with Steam.

When you click “Give Steam permission to alter my files” you’re giving the Steam application access to all your folders. If Valve wanted to, they could run into all your tax and porn folders lol.


nolifebr


  • #78




They’re working on servers to able to observe people using modified controllers as well (probably gathering numbers of headshots, perfect shots and etc)


Zombegoast


  • #79
And only for Vanguard and Warzone of course because fuck the older titles


Sullivan

Sullivan

Unshakable Resolve – Prophet of Truth


  • #80
fuck can MS at least make these idiots a solution before we take a huge exploit happen… need to deprecate these efforts before they go commonplace

I actually similar this thought, Microsoft should really look into this… can use it for Halo and license it out to other game developers. Simply unfortunate part is it would lock a lot of games to Windows though. Only I could see Microsoft wanting that.


Siresly


  • #81
I will proceed using my anti-cheat of not playing these games, thank you.


Tovarisc


  • #82
Possibly this is ameliorate than what e’er they used before, but these aren’t magic bullet that stops adulterous.


Nooblet


  • #83
Yea I idea this was going to be something like this given the claims they were making.
Just y’all know, the funny matter about kernel level anti cheat is, that the anti crook itself tin can exist abused.


Duxxy3


  • #84
Yes, Vanguard does accept SP.

This control will activate whenever the CoD executable file is activated, whether that’southward for SP or MP.

Yeah that’s the stop of me getting COD on PC.


Syntsui


  • #85
Same as in real life, the security / privacy concerns volition e’er be in opposite sides. There’s no way to properly and more than effectively deal with this without raising privacy issues.


Kittens McMittens


  • #86
So many people had a meltdown when Valorant did this, but Vanguard has been pretty effective. It actually blocked a very dodgy driver that MSI installed on my system for LED control on my motherboard. It’s wild that people were getting mad a Riot for blocking drivers and services simply seem to be fine with letting hardware vendors ship ancient, exploitable binaries they literally find on the internet.


Butch


  • #87
If information technology merely runs with the game, I’grand fine with this. Valorant’s solution was only asinine with it having to run all the time.

They’re saying it operates when the game is running, I remember it’s the same as Valorant.. information technology runs when the game is open but the initial Kernel driver has to be loaded at all times since it starts with the OS. That’s why you need to restart your PC if you lot accidentaly close it, I don’t think it will be any different hither.

This is how Riot explained it:

“We’ve had multiple external security enquiry teams review information technology for flaws (we don’t desire to accidentally subtract the security of the computer like other anti-crook drivers have done in the past). We’re also post-obit a to the lowest degree-privilege approach to the driver where the driver component does every bit piffling as possible preferring to let the non-driver component do the bulk of work (likewise the non-driver component doesn’t run unless the game is running).”

Chamberlain stressed that all the cheat scans are performed by the other component of Vanguard that isn’t the driver – which is only agile when the game is running, adding that it is “an of import tool in our fight against cheaters.”

Is Valorant cheat free? A quick google showed people selling cheats to information technology.

I think I’ve only seen i guy who seemed similar a cheater, this is since the game launched. There’s probably cheaters of course, but it’s definetly less than I’ve seen in other games for sure.

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Milennia

Milennia

Prophet of Truth – Customs Resetter


  • #88
I more so intendance about it beingness activision in detail at the helm of my PCs Kernel action, not the anti cheat itself


Rumble


  • #89
Good. Lots of people that don’t know what they’re talking most are probably about to jump on this just…

Very good.

Exactly my feeling.


Rosebud


  • #90
Is Valorant cheat free? A quick google showed people selling cheats to it.


elenarie


  • #91
Good. Lots of people that don’t know what they’re talking most are probably about to jump on this merely…

Very good.

Hahahah. 😀 Too late for that.


Tovarisc


  • #92
Is Valorant cheat gratuitous? A quick google showed people selling cheats to it.

Never has been. These kernel Air-conditioning’s aren’t magic bullets that forestall all cheating.


Nooblet


  • #93
I like how they’re not even committing to restrict it to CoD-related data.

“In its initial rollout”

Those are ii separate things. The initial rollout thing is virtually it only working during gameplay initially, which may change later.

It being restricted to COD related information is a split thing birthday.


Ionic


  • #94
Well, that’s what people asked for.

I’m still in favor of Valve’s fashion of doing VAC. Less privacy concerns. I’thousand not sure I desire Activision with Kernel access to my estimator.

VAC existence very uninstrusive is commendable, but we can meet how it’southward falling backside in TF2 especially. They had a GDC talk some fourth dimension ago nearly using a variety of signifiers both in and out of game and machine learning to identify probable cheaters then send them to the Overwatch system, but none of that has made information technology out of CSGO I don’t call up. If they want to fight back against these pervasive anti-crook programs they need to put upwards, and I genuinely really hope they do.


Phokal


  • #95
A lot of people are actually ok with kernel access seem to skip over that trusting activision is not the only factor. You definitely want to trust them if using this, but it’s likewise a door for whatsoever compromise. You simply installed a windows update to try and correct a print server outcome from Microsoft for a third time, and are simultaneously really confident that this can’t be victim of an exploit.


elenarie


  • #96
I volition never install games that force kernel level shit on my Os.

Halo, Gears, Apex, Battlefield, Watch Dogs, Destiny, Fortnite, For Honour, Rust, Squad, Wildlands, The Division, Hunt Showdown, Expressionless Past Daylight, Fall Guys, Far Cry 5, Insurgency, Knockout City, New World, Outriders, Predator Hunting Grounds, Paladins, Rocket Loonshit, Smite, Squadrons… and many, many more.

All of these use kernel-level anti cheating solutions. 🙂


sangreal


  • #97
Not unusual at all for anti-crook


Sabin


  • #98
Halo, Gears, Apex, Battleground, Scout Dogs, Destiny, Fortnite, For Laurels, Rust, Squad, Wildlands, The Division, Hunt Showdown, Dead Past Daylight, Autumn Guys, Far Weep v, Insurgency, Knockout City, New World, Outriders, Predator Hunting Grounds, Paladins, Rocket Arena, Smite, Squadrons… and many, many more.

All of these use kernel-level anti cheating solutions. 🙂

Guess how many of these touched my PC.


Solid SOAP


  • #99
Get ready, mother fuckers. EA are gonna hunt your asses down


Rosebud


  • #100
Halo, Gears, Apex, Battlefield, Lookout man Dogs, Destiny, Fortnite, For Honor, Rust, Squad, Wildlands, The Division, Hunt Showdown, Dead By Daylight, Fall Guys, Far Cry 5, Insurgency, Knockout City, New Globe, Outriders, Predator Hunting Grounds, Paladins, Rocket Arena, Smite, Squadrons… and many, many more.

All of these use kernel-level anti cheating solutions. 🙂

From those I only play Fortnite and Fall Guys, and it doesn’t work lol

I love Fall Guys solution to put cheaters together though.


Source: https://www.resetera.com/threads/call-of-duty%E2%80%99s-new-anti-cheat-system-includes-a-kernel-level-driver-to-catch-pc-cheaters.499398/page-2